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  • 1.  Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-13-2015 09:44
    We used to charge Project Management Salaries as a G&A Expense, however we are considering charging directly to jobs or as Job Overhead to be allocated.
    I am curious as to what other companies are doing. 

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    David Helms CCIFP, CPA
    Controller
    Triad Mechanical Contractors, Inc.
    Johns Island SC
    (843) 556-5636
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  • 2.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-13-2015 10:35
    Project Management salaries are allocated directly to the Jobs.

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    Shawn Sullivan
    Assistant Controller
    Gulf Stream Construction Co.
    North Charleston SC
    (843) 572-4363
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  • 3.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-14-2015 08:49
    We charge ours as overhead,  not job specific.

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    Joseph Ford BS
    V.P. Of Finance
    American Asphalt Company
    W. Collingswood Hts NJ
    (856) 456-2899
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  • 4.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-14-2015 09:01
    We direct charge our field (superintendents) and office managers (PM's, Coordinators, CAD Operators, etc.) to our projects. We estimate their time when bidding projects in pre-con as part of our pricing.

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    Douglas Hutchison
    Vice President /CFO/Treasurer
    Meisner Electric, Inc.
    Delray Beach FL
    (561) 278-8362
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  • 5.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-14-2015 10:35
    Our PM staff allocates their time to jobs. We have a budget for each job for PM time and we use the cost allocation as a gauge of how much PM efforts apply to specific types of jobs, specific customers, etc.

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    Jack Holbrook Economics
    Controller
    ELCCO Inc
    Evergreen CO
    (808) 283-1938
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  • 6.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-14-2015 14:40
    Project Managers submit time with daily report in project management app. Assuming 40 hours/week, 1/40th of weekly salary charged to jobs per hour. Time spent on overhead activities and estimating are charged to department overhead.

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    Alex Lee CPA/CITP, CCIFP
    Accounting Manager
    The Wills Company
    Nashville TN
    (615) 352-1228
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  • 7.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-14-2015 16:27
    David,

    Generally speaking, Project Manager related expenses (including vehicle expenses, mobile devices, reimbursements) are considered Indirect Cost, which is allocated back to jobs.  

    One view of Indirect Cost vs. Overhead Expense in general is to ask these questions:
    • If we had no jobs would we have this cost?
    • Would this cost increase in direct correlation with an increase in volume?
    Overhead should increase at a much lower rate with an increase in volume than Indirect Cost.  Some examples of other Indirect Cost are:  
    • Project / Contract Administrator Expenses
    • Field mobile technology expenses
    • Safety related expenses
    • Equipment expenses
    • Shop / Warehouse / Yard expenses
    • General Liability Insurance (depending on the policy, it could be tied to Labor, Billings or Earned Revenue)
    There are many methods of allocating Indirect Cost pools back to jobs, such as a $ rate / labor hour, % of labor cost, and % of job cost. The labor based allocation methods are especially relevant for MEP contractors, because the more labor involved on a job, the more Project Manager and other related Indirect Cost will be required to manage the job.  Equipment related Indirect Cost is typically allocated based on a rate per hour, day or month.  Frequently, a blend of multiple allocation methods provide the most accurate representation of Indirect Cost allocated to jobs.  

    Before changing Project Manager related expenses from Overhead to allocated Indirect Cost, consider the following:
    • New Job Starts - You should consider applying the new method of accounting for Project Manager expenses on new jobs only. 
    • Current Jobs Projected Cost at Completion - If you apply the new allocation method to existing jobs, there will be an impact to the % Complete on the WIP.  You will need to adjust the Projected Cost at Completion to include the anticipated allocation.
    • Financial Reporting to External Parties - Banks and Sureties base lending and surety decisions on your company's prior Gross Margin range.  If you move Overhead or Indirect Cost to an allocation approach, make sure you have conversations with the banks and sureties before you proceed.
    • Project Manager Communication - Make sure that you work through the allocation approach with all parties involved.  In many cases, Project Manager performance is measured and incentives are provided based on Gross Margin produced.  A Project Manager's baseline expectation should be to produce enough Margin to not only cover their cost, but to also provide Contribution Margin dollars to bottom line profit.
    I hope this helps.  Feel free to contact me for more information.

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    Brian Andrew BBA
    Manager - Financial Solutions Group
    D. Brown Management
    Duluth GA
    (404) 379-5198
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  • 8.  RE: Project Management Salaries - Job Cost

    Posted 08-17-2015 08:54
    We charge PM time directly to jobs, based on 45 hour work weeks, including owners of the company when in a PM role. This cost is included in estimated direct costs for bidding & budget, and accounting purposes as incurred. 

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    John Bieber CCIFP, CPA
    Chief Financial Officer
    National Glass & Metal Co., Inc.
    Horsham PA
    (267) 532-1780
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